Consider...
H1)
Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (SB) ($27.29)
BB ($11.14)
UTG ($14.75)
MP ($36.30)
CO ($13.22)
Button ($26.39)
Preflop: Hero is SB with J
, J
, K, 7
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks
Flop: ($1) 3
, Q, 2 (4 players)Hero checks, BB bets $0.50, 1 fold, Button raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, 1 fold
Button makes a small raise but I'm definitely not folding the K-high flush.
Turn: ($4.50) 8
(2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50
I check and villain pots it again. Any chance that villain holds a small flush is gone. There's always an outside chance that he's blasting away blindly with a set, or possibly making a pure bluff, but that's mostly wishful thinking.
River: ($13.50) J
(2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $13.50, Hero calls $13.50
It's hard for this barrel to be anything but the nuts. Would the Q-high flush play it like this? You see, when you're holding the 2nd nuts in a spot like this, there's this self-pity trigger that comes into play. You know you are almost surely beat, but you have to call so that you can tell your tale of woe and bad luck. It's like you're calling just for the bad beat/bad luck story you know you have coming. This makes you (and me) 1) a self-absorbed sad sack and 2) a bad poker player.
Total pot: $40.50 Rake: $2.02
Results:
Button had A
, 7, 4, 3 (flush, Ace high).Hero had J
, J, K, 7 (flush, King high).Outcome: Button won $38.48
H2)
Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
SB ($97.30)
Hero (BB) ($91)
UTG ($50)
MP ($50)
CO ($154.80)
Button ($24.70)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K
, Q, J, 93 folds, Button calls $0.50, SB calls $0.25, Hero bets $2, Button calls $1.50, SB calls $1.50
Flop: ($6) K
, 10, Q (3 players)SB checks, Hero bets $4, 1 fold, SB calls $4
Pretty lovely flop, top 2-pair plus 2nd nut straight. Only the SB calls, who could have anything from the same straight to a set to 2-pair.
Turn: ($14) 7
(2 players)SB checks, Hero bets $8, SB raises to $38, Hero calls $30
First, I thought about checking back this turn, given that we were playing almost 200BBs deep and I would hate a check-raise. Then I figured I'd bet to get a set to call and draw to a boat. Boom, the big check-raise. Again, I almost folded, but I convinced myself that he would make this play after picking up a spade draw to go with something like a set or 2-pair.
River: ($90) 8
(2 players)SB bets $53.30 (All-In), Hero calls $47 (All-In)
I made the mistake of discounting the nuts on the turn, so when the river whiffed for the spade and boat draws, I figured I had to call the river. Another case of wishful, self-manipulative thinking. And a cardinal sin in this case, since it led to stacking off 200BBs deep.
Total pot: $184 Rake: $3
Results:
SB had 6
, A, J, A (straight, Ace high).Hero had K
, Q, J, 9 (straight, King high).Outcome: SB won $181
3 comments:
@ the first hand listed:
I'm clearly no expert in PLO. That caveat out there, I also want to note that you essentially went broke on a limped pot. As a rule of thumb, poker players should ALWAYS make sure not to go broke over a limped PF pot. (You won't go broke if you hold the nuts.) There is no reason to get stubborn on a limped pot.
In H1, you should consider a blocking bet on the river. If you bet something like 1/4 - 1/3 pot on the river, you can fold to a raise knowing it is the nuts. This be should also get paid off by smaller flushes, sets, and two pairs, and possibly someone holding a pair and the Ah who is over-thinking the situation.
The same logic could apply to the turn, but I think that is a much tougher fold on the turn, and if the just flats, you still have a problem on the river. Back to back blocking bets perhaps???
@Meister: This is a fair point on it's own. But in the context of hand analysis, the key point is that players are much less likely to bluff in a limped pot. That said, I still think calling the flop and turn is correct with the 2nd nuts, it's just the river where I need to be able to give it up.
@Anon: I like the blocking bet on the river, since it serves the twofold purpose of extracting value against worse and more clearly determining whether villain has the nuts. The key is that he will almost never be bluffing on the river. Good suggestion, I'll add it to my repertoire on the river w/ 2nd nut hands.
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